a certain limit for the number of players in the kingdom

    I suggest 8)


    that there be a certain limit for the number of players in the kingdom
    50 player before the Kingdoms Union and 100 after or less than that also
    Because pre-made kingdoms make the game so miserable that you will not be able to win if you do not have a very large team
    There are kingdoms such as (DOOM/EGOTRIP , BM , ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ , .............) has a number of players over 200 who control the server from the first weeks until
    the end of the server
    Unfortunately, they do not enter the same server to face each other :thumbdown:
    That might bother the players who play in huge pre-made kingdoms :P
    But
    it will also be good for them because it will force them to expel the
    weak players and they will gain more farms and villages to conquer it :rolleyes:

    As I recall, in Travian Classic there was a certain limit to the number of players in the alliance
    Forcing alliance to form sub-alliances


    The smaller players are transferred to it as penalty for default
    It means you can establish sub-kingdoms
    BM main
    BM1-BM2-...........-BM98754878 :D
    but at least only 100member will take the medals

    You kinda answered your own problem.
    You can't stop people from teaming up even if you stop them from joining under the same name.
    Many of us might recall one infamous server with TONKA1 -> TONKA∞... I'd agree that was a bit cancerous.
    Having said that, top gov numbers rarely win this game, always down to quality of players and having enough of them.


    Pointing at groups of players and blaming them for playing together in a coordinated fashion is just plain dumb. That is the main draw-card of Travian since first release.
    It is only in these dying days do you see threads asking for it to somehow vanish (which is a laugh).


    The real problem is dilution of quality players/teams and there is only one solution - less servers.
    There is not enough competition or players around for the amount of servers there is.


    The other elephant in the room is players are walking away from the game.

    Quote from Renuo#EN

    Pointing at groups of players and blaming them for playing together in a coordinated fashion is just plain dumb. That is the main draw-card of Travian since first release.
    It is only in these dying days do you see threads asking for it to somehow vanish (which is a laugh).

    I am not pointing at any group
    Actualy I am playing with EGOTRIP in com1x3
    they are very organized big kingdom with 110 players
    but we will win that server very easy
    the small kingdoms start attacking each other and left us alone XD
    I suggest some thing like that as you said to make more competition
    with more kingdoms the organization and the calls for deff will be more difficult and less VPs , treasures
    and that maybe will give a chance for the small kingdom to take a part

    how about 50 players at Union? you've said yourself that 100 players are too stronk for a server, so why not reduce it to an amount that gives everyone a fairer chance



    Quote from Suleiman

    I am not pointing at any group

    you did though, you named us as a large group (we refute that) premades are not the problem, they are just the new target now meta's aren't having the effect they used to (due to system changes that were introduced)

    Quote from Suleiman

    (DOOM/EGOTRIP , BM , ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ , .............) has a number of players over 200

    BM never even had 100 players & have won on the new Unions system with around 50 players each time

    Quote from Jak

    BM never even had 100 players & have won on the new Unions system with around 50 players each time

    you were more than 100 players in com5 when we took 2nd and finished the wonder
    we = Underdogs :love:
    and we were only 50-60 players and not pre-made team


    Quote from Renuo#EN

    There is not enough competition or players around for the amount of servers there is.

    If you really want to compete
    All the pre-made kingdoms I mentioned earlier should communicate and enter together in the same server
    Then I'll be happy to play with one of you really

    Quote from Suleiman

    you were more than 100 players in com5 when we took 2nd and finished the wonderwe = Underdogs :love:
    and we were only 50-60 players and not pre-made team

    Think you need to go check out your com5 stats. My post was correct
    If you want talk about com5 it was pretty much BM v TheServer (how else would those attack/def points have happened for us?)

    Quote from Suleiman

    COM5, Round 5(November 2017 - April 2018)

    Kingdoms - Statistics: Overview on com5.kingdoms.com - Getter-Tools
    (maybe try here)


    Thanks for digging that out though, your WW reached 100 because we had no need to attack it to win the server ;)


    #1Gaius (BM player) 1,236,411 attack points
    #1Lylai (BM player) 1,022,455 defense points
    (the server was pretty average until the last month)

    yes I was wrong
    you were only 50 players
    but do you think that doesnt make you a big pre-made team ?!!
    How easy will victory be If 50 players entered together in the same server !!!
    and in the end you were 50 players
    I don't know how many you were in the begening

    we only defend ourselves, if others played the game as we do, then kingdoms would be a lot richer for it
    we had 19 players that deleted (of which 2 started the server with us)


    so we are around 50 players, we have no Naps, No confeds, secret allies etc also no merges, trying to take over other kingdoms etc or start using more Kings and random wings of our extended kingdom (we have no interest in being the biggest mass out there)
    we fight all equally and we don't try to hide where we are, if we land on a server we announce it, we cannot be blamed for others not having guts to take us on (we'd love for that to happen too, we take no pride in fighting weaker teams)


    a server seems to peak at 3k players now & soon dwindles to around half that amount. so 1.5k players and you now think 50 is too many?

    Hahaha Suleiman, you dont know nothing about the DOOM so Please stop talking about doom, Let me share some screens with you to open your mind and eyes.


    Screenshot by Lightshot


    Doom was 3rd in population and members,


    Screenshot by Lightshot
    Screenshot by Lightshot


    and we won the server against 2 big metas, now stop talking about Doom. yes we are a pre-made team and we have the best players but we are against the meta too. Now you are in egotrip and egotrip is fighting against LOTR, Isengard, EMC and PIgs do some calculation and tell me how many players are against egotrip. they alll are allied.

    Team member limits don't actually work, the guys who want more members will just create wings, if anything I think member limits hurt the small guys by preventing them from naturally getting as big as the evildoers who abuse wings.


    If you want to limit the size of kingdoms you have to do it by changing mechanics in a way that doesn't prevent large kingdoms but rather that makes smaller kingdoms have an edge.
    Right now there are lot of mechanics that support who ever is biggest, for example treasures are generated by govs -> who ever has the most govs generates most treasure -> bigger is better
    What you want to do is create anti snowball mechanics instead where small kingdoms get bigger benefits

    One thing that would be fairer is if all treasures (stolen goods) had the same "selling value" in all kingdoms,


    The way it is at the moment is a bit like "the rich just get richer" for each of their stolen goods they sell, meaning those that choose to play in a smaller setup are at a disadvantage & poorer to those that join the biggest kingdoms on a server as the biggest get more internal treasures via hideouts and camps & all Govs/Dukes then get more crop & resources for each treasure sold, giving them bigger better armies in the long term