but cheating, bots and people creating fake accounts neither
It's always a minority of people who ruin it for the majority. Hopefully the issue will be worked on over time
I wish harsher punishments for MAing/botting + some game rule clarifications
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Patterns are often clear after a few days, also the players involved in the cheating.
Support i.m.o. has to be a live service during the first hours of a server to monitor whats going on. Support replying to tickets that they will get on it "as soon as possible, but they are overloaded by reports" screams to me they desperately need expansion in this area.
Also a zero tolerance policy is needed, if a player gets advantage of one or multiple accounts that get banned later ( and of which its obvious its a multi account) should be punished, with no exception. And not these softy punishments.
You can't explain to me that the punishment for botting is way more harsh then a punishment for multiaccounting (which is way more profitable i.m.o. ).
The current penalty for multies just screams "You better use 100 multis and just accept the 10% pop wipe" which is back in 1h anyway as most are heavy gold users.
Care to read this thread or want to comment for once?
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[snip] Expecting a cheater creating accounts with similliar name is just naive and wrong.
And Yet, People does it. Just because is dumb, does not mean is not happening or possible.
Quote from Presequencer#ENIf some russian dude still living with his mama is able to script a bot in his basement, it has to be producing patterns in the game data. So I dont understand a reason, why nobody is able to programm a script to detect those patterns. There have to be tons and tons of data.
Do you know the difference between a Script Kiddie and a Programmer? Scripts, of course anyone can use grease monkey, or even Javascript to bypass certain web protocols. however, Administration tools are way more complex. I believe Unknown has mention it longer ago and serveral times.
It is not just "Oh we have kiddies, lets just put A to Block B so they do not obtain C" and That is it.
How would this can affect performance?
How would this fail in certain systems?
How heavy would be the backend files?
Database files?
Update again the Database? SQL or NoSQL?
For your logic might sound stupid. But this issue is not just big deal as keep and give maintanence to a server, check for bugs, and else.
Chill pill is in order mate. I hate cheaters too, but I just do not whine about it, if I see suspicious activity, I use this magic button:
pasted-from-clipboard.pngIt is so helpful. And is more effective that whining on forum, since is not the proper procedure.
Care to read this thread or want to comment for once?
Black Swan BridgetB Skadi
I can bet you that they read, or recive report from others. Answer is not always needed by aaaaall the staff.
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@KhanterWinters Good that you are using magic button, me too. We are on the same page. But you know what happens afterward. Nothing. You just get email signature from csr. Nothing more. It is not about whining on the forum. We are discussing the problem.
I have to repeat it again. Your attitude is in my opinion wrong. We are players. We are not obliged to look for evidence and proofs. We pay for the game. If the game sucks, players go away. If the game keepers do not want to solve the problems that are so emerging, and dont want to talk, money goes away. If you look at the charts, this is already happening in munich...
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I can bet you that they read, or recive report from others. Answer is not always needed by aaaaall the staff
I've been vocal about this point for probably one of the longest time on this forum. Yet to see any reply they will look at it (only from Unknown). But he doesnt decide.
KhanterWinters Good that you are using magic button, me too. We are on the same page. But you know what happens afterward. Nothing. You just get email signature from csr. Nothing more. It is not about whining on the forum. We are discussing the problem.
On the current com1x3n a multi farmer since week 1 got banned yesterday and in the last 2h somewhere got unbanned (with penalty). As Unknown said if you get banned you cheat.
And within 2h of the ban he can chief a village from a opposing kingdom.
Still reaping the benefits of the multifarming, sadly.
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I have to repeat it again. Your attitude is in my opinion wrong. We are players. We are not obliged to look for evidence and proofs. We pay for the game. If the game sucks, players go away. If the game keepers do not want to solve the problems that are so emerging, and dont want to talk, money goes away. If you look at the charts, this is already happening in munich...
You are not obligued to pay, no-one has put a gun or force you to get gold coins. Players go away and get back all time, my forum profile says I have silver prestige, and that I barely new. On Kingdoms perhaps, but I played long ago when Travian was only Travian, not known as "Travian Games" etc.
Is good to present the concerns, but I find your way, wrong too, You as I, as anyone, classified as "only player", is not in the possition to Demand the administration, what you find it easy to do.
"Only players", is always a pain, They never happy, if a bug appears, "why the bug?!", if they solved the bug "Why taken so long?/ Why you let it to appear?", If your attitude is "I pay, so they NEED to respond my arguments", You are so wrong. This is not 1950 Hotel where "Client is always right".
Many of Staff is aware of you, heck, they are aware of all comments and concerns. CSR Is one branch, Communications is other, Forum is other, Developers other, Testing, CoMa, LoCa, etc.
If you feel that they are scamming you, then go for the correct forms, and present a formal complain, or just go. From where you come, others will arrive and pay same amount of gold or more.
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Relax guys, the admins won't do anything, that's their way of working. Do not expect anything from them, you will just be disappointed and upset
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Any recommendations for new upcoming games we can collectively switch?
(obviously, it's a joke, don't ban me)
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The fact that the community seems to care more then the administrators says enough. Every single round from now on will be some RfR(spinoff), IYI(spinoff), Unreal(spinoff) multi invested shitshow. Support is too slow and punishments are too soft, feels like we have been saying this for 2 yea... oh wait...
Worst part is they all admit openly and nobody seems to care. More and more people will stop playing (seriously), because the lack of adequate responses.
Time to use a guide... * opens Sharley 12 page guide on how to use multies *
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Any recommendations for new upcoming games we can collectively switch?
(obviously, it's a joke, don't ban me)
Kravian Tingdoms
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I don't know why you feel we don't care... nothing further from the truth.
We care deeply about what happens with the game.
We understand there is a problem of perception and there is an issue as well that has to be addressed.
I personally think that the issue is not as big as some think, there are many accounts reported for been multi that are not.
There are others that there are and we have to address that. And as well we have to address the fact that most of the vocal community feels that the punishments are not enough.
But, as KhanterWinters very well says, it is more complicated than what some seem to think.
I am confident we will get there, but obviously it will take time.
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I don't know why you feel we don't care... nothing further from the truth.
We care deeply about what happens with the game.
We understand there is a problem of perception and there is an issue as well that has to be addressed.
I personally think that the issue is not as big as some think, there are many accounts reported for been multi that are not.
There are others that there are and we have to address that. And as well we have to address the fact that most of the vocal community feels that the punishments are not enough.
But, as KhanterWinters very well says, it is more complicated than what some seem to think.
I am confident we will get there, but obviously it will take time.
Last com1x3 Arab kingdom Friends had 61 bans.... of which 4 out of 6 royalties, the #1 off player and 4 or 5 top 10 farmers.
Current com1x3n, Unreal is on 72 counted bans (58 after 8 days), of which 2 players have been double banned. One of these players even has a permaban on his main account...
(I dont mention the 2x3 round, because i wasn't there) But also quite bad.
So in fact its even worse then ever.
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I understand, but, as I said, it will take time, but we are in the right track.
You need to be patient.
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Patient for how long?
The same players has been doing it for years now, but in last servers, they are doing it even more cocky, because they know, that you wont punish them.
U really believe that 10% pop loss is adequate punishment? You destroy his barracks/stable/workshop by 2levels, he relocates few more multies next to him, farms them out and it's as never happened.
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One of the top farmers on com1x3n got banned a few days ago. As you stated somewhere else 'if they are banned, they are banned for a reason', fine. The same player got unbanned a day later (with 10% pop penalty) and started to chief a few villages out of anger (with the troops/chiefs/acc funded by multies).
Is that a scenario that is accepted now? Everybody might as well start using 20 multies as the gains are waaaayyy bigger then what a punishment will cost you.
To be even more clear: This stuff has been going on atleast more then 1.5 year. At some point it's enough. Where are Skadi, Black Swan and BridgetB anyway?
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I understand, but, as I said, it will take time, but we are in the right track.
You need to be patient.
yeah I believe you will take at least 10 years and you will still say the same thing dont just taunt us man !
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Example of what happened with one of those accounts th0mm are talking:
- Account had 2 villages
- Raid 6M
- Got banned 10% pop (like less than 1M penalty)
- Raid 6M more after got unbanned in 3 days (top weekly raider day 4 of the week beeing banned during 2 days)
- Total raids of the week +10M
- Got banned again with 10-25% penalty more, i think 10% but not sure now (again small penalty, around 1M aprox.?)
- Got unbanned and keep raiding multis again
Benefits to raid multis: 20M
Penalty recived: 2M
He raid and got benefits x10 than the penalty you are given. Tell me how that can be allowed?
That kind of cheating must be corrected asap.
Player who get that ilegal push to the account must be out of the server. 10% pop penalty is a joke…
If you don’t correct this, is absolutely normal that community things you do nothing cause they use gold. Cause there are no reason to keep these kind of accounts in the server.
You can check my gold usage/server, don’t be shocked if we stop paying that amounts if you do nothing about that topic.
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You can check my gold usage/server, don’t be shocked if we stop paying that amounts if you do nothing about that topic.
No joke, morodo#ES even buys gold on accounts that he sits
Travian Sugar Daddy just said he's going to cut us all off if nothing changes, and TG benefits most from his coin!!!
Stop this madness, please! Don't cut off our source of entertainment and your income and just implement ACTUAL punishments for cheating
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The weak bans are made so that the player spends more gold to recover quickly and it is clear that they are designed for this purpose.
I have noticed those who don't use gold suffer heavier bans
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I personally think that the issue is not as big as some think, there are many accounts reported for been multi that are not.
"Issue is not as big" : 80 bans that produced around one million troops in other accounts before being banned, clearly not a big issue, pretty small if you ask me indeed, why would anyone care? I would just remove it from rules and allow it if I were you, as I guess it does not influence the game that much. I am sorry and I do not want to be offensive, but this line is just ridiculous.
"There are many accounts reported that are not": Could you tell us the criteria you use to determinate if they are multis or not and the community tells you how to bypass those? I cannot believe the fact some multis have also been reused ( deleted and joined back ). One guy was banned twice and is banned on his main, he is not even supposed to be able to join the server. How in this world is he not deleted. Just how. Anyway, no real issue there, I am deleting, my 17 days old report in help center still has not got a reply, but clearly there is a lot of dedication by admins on the theme.
I really do feel like it is either all a big joke or you are just making fun of us. If none of those were true, I would have to think this is becoming more and more similar to a circus.
