Gold or Cheats?

    Dear community of Travian Kingdoms, is been long time I did not open a thread, I wanna say something to the Staff of TK. I wanna be that silent voice of players, that are playing this game and PAYING it. Is been a long time that I waited to come back to play this game, since my old experience, that was not so pleasant; because of players that are not fair play players. How long on this Forum there been topics about multi accounts/cheating/bots/scripts and we can bring a full list of these things here.


    To be honest I'm disappointed with Travian Kingdom staff, this game is out already for years and how a international company that is hosting this game is not able to fix the issues listed above once for all? I honestly paid some servers that I'm still playing with 150 euro, but that expense is not worth of talking about when I meet some players that, yes they pay like me, some of them, but they abuse of multi account and so on.


    I wanna make clear one point here, when all this no sense will stop? Free to play game know for cheaters and abusers, is not even pay to win at this rate, because this game is still Cheat to win. IF the TK Owner still cares for his image like a business man he should offer a better product than this. There are people paying your company my dear owner and most of them they are disappointed like me to see in game still same issues that are not fixed, why you don't force players to connect a Phone Number or even a ID to hold 1 account, like Riot Games did to prevent most of this no sense, and make this game better for everyone?


    Sometimes I feel that you let cheaters to do what they are doing, till they paying the money to do that, everything is allowed.... If this was the dream and vision of creators of This Game, then I will tell you now, You Failed, the community and also the Target that you wanted to reach.

    Thank you very much for your comments AdamPulino


    I understand that you hate cheating, like me, and are not please when your cross paths with other cheaters.


    What I would advice you is that there are interesting changes coming, it may take a while, but we are working on it.


    In the mean time, I am not sure if you know that there has been some recent changes and that means we have a new CSR.


    I cannot speak of the previous situation as I was not CM in COM at the time, I started at the same time than the new CSR. But I can tell you the new CSR is really good and knows what she is doing.


    So I would please ask you to report any incidents to the help center, I am very confident that they will be deal with.

    So the reason why so little was done to solve these game breaking cheaters and exploiters was a change in CM staff? That is of cause plausible and understandable. I too have taken a long break from the hell that is the speed worlds especially these days. Glad to hear that changes are coming. Many old timers like me are just waiting to rejoin a beloved game. I do hope that we can finally have a fair round again soon

    I would not say that Lothar#EN(4) , what I say is that I am not sure how it was in the past, I was not so in tune with the situation in the COM, so I cannot speak about it since I don't really know and I didn't ask about it either.


    My perception from the position I had as CM for the ES domain was that we had a very good person at the helm and when I was given the role for the COM I really felt I had big boots to fill, but that was just my perception, nothing more.

    I had and have a big respect for the CM we used to have in COM.


    But, talking about the now, what I do know and can talk about is regarding the situation since I became CM in the COM domain.


    And I can tell you that the new CSR has impressed me more than once with her knowledge and understanding of the multihunting role and the tools we have for that role.

    So, not wanting to compare it with what we used to have, since I cannot do that, what I do know is that now we have a brilliant and extremely capable CSR.


    So if you have something that needs investigating in the game world, the best thing you can do is contact the Help Center and it will be investigated. I have full confidence that with the knowledge and experience the CSR has, it will be dealt with expertly and in the best possible way.

    I'm sure we have all seen the many threads about the relocating/menhir/multi/'teleporting' accounts. The reason I even replied to yet another one sounding the alarm is that the wording is exactly the same and so are the problems. Even after so many reports, screen shots, quotes from players openly boasting how they get away with exploits and cheats the problem remains the same. The situation remains the same - no changes, no fixes, no permabans and no solution to these game ruining, fun extinguishing problems. The only conclusion must therefore be; the techs can't or won't solve it and a massive dev silence on the area is suspiciously present. All I can say is that untill the cheaters and exploiters are stopped or minimized to a not server ruining state I will not be rejoining and neither will a lot of friends and enemies that I used to see around the game worlds. Truelly sad :/ And don't tell me there are no reports, documented cases and even forum posts collaborating my statements

    I understand Lothar#EN(4) , obviously I cannot speak about what I see in the team fully.


    Some things will always have to be confidential.


    I can tell you that, yes, you are right in one things, things take longer than we would like, that I would personally like, but we, as a team, are looking at ways to change those things.


    I cannot say when or how it will be, again, it may be a long time from now since finding a solutions is not that easy.


    But that we are working as a team towards improvements, is something that is happening. For now I can only ask for patience.

    Travian Kingdom staff should employe a motivational speaker, so it will push them to get passion and love for this job. The only reason many things did non change is because people are working without passion and love, but just for money. Is better to have a company with 10 partners that share some love on their craft than 2000 employees without love for what they are doing.

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    I cannot say when or how it will be, again, it may be a long time from now since finding a solutions is not that easy.

    There have been many band-aid fixes offered, to me it's starting to feel more and more that you don't WANT to solve the problem since they players using multi's also buy signifigant amounts of gold. To refresh your memory, fixing the early game menhir abuse is easy: Limit amounts you can use menhir, have a minimum prestige requirement for starting as a king (lets say maybe bronze diamond), if player is caught cheating reses his prestige. There is a way, but the question stands, is there a will?

    Thanks for the point of view kicke


    I can only tell you what I know, and I know that we are studying how to implement changes that will provide the things you mention.


    But for now I cannot say any more, because 1, it is not easy, I wish we had 2000 (I would even settle for 20 or 10) like AdamPulino said, but we have to do things in the constrains of our circumstances.


    Doing any change to game play has to be considered very carefully before implementing anything.


    In the past we had that care and attention and even so it seems that we didn't get the right perfect balance to the menhir function, just to mention one of the items you refer to.


    So before we actually do anything to change it we have to find the right balance without inconveniencing any player negatively and at the same time providing benefit for the game worlds.


    So, yes, as I said before it may take a bit longer that I would wish, but we are looking at options and working towards achieving the right balance in all aspects of the game, including the ones you mention.

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    Travian Kingdom staff should employe a motivational speaker, so it will push them to get passion and love for this job. The only reason many things did non change is because people are working without passion and love, but just for money. Is better to have a company with 10 partners that share some love on their craft than 2000 employees without love for what they are doing.

    It's the company's structure that prevents "LOVE" for this job. There is no point hiring motivational speakers when Company's policies are as clear as water, and the history for incompetent apps that were rolled out shows it's direction. Not to mention, it's not a public company but a medium sized private business. The guy who runs Travian Games doesn't even care about players, so the work of the staff reflects overall mood. I wont be surprised if the people who work there, are only stopovers for bigger opportunities

    To be honest, i really believe Unknown is doing his best at the job, thanks for that! But i have to admit i agree with kicke in the way that some of the things should not be very hard to be implemented but still take way way too long for kingdoms to implement. The original idea behind menhir was that it would allow for people to play with their friends from the start of the game. If that is still the purpose of the menhir function, why would a person be allowed to menhir more than once? When he menhirs to his friends he can settle from there on and does not need to menhir any further. Same for the king requirement, you agree with the fact that the king spot is only suitable for experienced players, why not only allow people with a high prestige to be be king? in that way it simply won't be abused anymore and you make sure all kings are suitable players.

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    To be honest, i really believe Unknown is doing his best at the job, thanks for that! But i have to admit i agree with kicke in the way that some of the things should not be very hard to be implemented but still take way way too long for kingdoms to implement. The original idea behind menhir was that it would allow for people to play with their friends from the start of the game. If that is still the purpose of the menhir function, why would a person be allowed to menhir more than once? When he menhirs to his friends he can settle from there on and does not need to menhir any further. Same for the king requirement, you agree with the fact that the king spot is only suitable for experienced players, why not only allow people with a high prestige to be be king? in that way it simply won't be abused anymore and you make sure all kings are suitable players.

    Yes It's not Unknowns fault by any means and I don't think that he likes the situation where the community is frustrated but his hands are tied.

    I thank you for your point of view noob village#EN but, although it is not the normal thing to do, please allow me to give you my personal point of view.


    I want to asure you the owners or founders of TG and Kingdoms do care enormously for its players.


    They themselves started been players, as far as I know, the original creator of Travian, and then Kingdoms, did the original one because when he left his home town to go to uni, he still wanted to play with his friends from back home, the idea developed and we are here today.

    But they started been players, and I would not be surprised if, on incognito, without knowing, some of you veteran ones may some time have played with some of them in the past.


    Please, do not judge the character of people you don't know.

    I have had some contact with the original creator of all this world we love, and although I cannot call myself his friend, since the contact we had was not enough for that, I can say he looked to me as an honest person that was doing his best for the game, the players and the company.


    I actually liked the guy a lot. From where I am, TG seems to be one of those stories where the good guy has good luck and creates something amazing.


    And regarding the current CEOs, I have not talked to them personally, but I have attended some meetings, again, I can tell you only my personal feeling... that was that they seem to care and are trying their best.

    But it is not easy to juggle the needs of the players, game and company at the same time and ensure nothing drops.


    So, it is alright to talk about the game, about the fact that ideally changes would come sooner and other things like that, but please, don't smudge the character of people until you meet them and get to know them.


    I will never tell you they are perfect, or even myself or anyone else in the team, but I can tell you that as a group we are trying our best to give you the best possible game and that what ever changes we do in future don't "break" the game.


    It is not easy, as some of the players in the forum are showing with what is going on with the menhir function for example.


    So what ever we do in future regarding that, we first need to ensure it will be the right thing.


    But, the beauty of Kingdoms is that even as is, it still has what makes it a great game. Let's be honest, it is not the game itself, but what the game brings to our lives.


    I can assure you that you have met some good friends here in Kingdoms, I can tell you I have, people that without Kingdoms I would not call them friends, and some of them I would visit regularly or they would come to my home, sadly for a while now that cannot be the case because of Covid, but I hope to pick up where we left off once all this is finished.


    That is the best part of Kingdoms, the community you create, the need to rely on your Kingdom to survive, that need for each other, that need for team play makes the game brilliant, and brings us closer to each other, since we have to spend a lot of time organising rounds or defences.


    Sorry for the "book", I just wanted to give you my personal take on it.


    Now, where was my CM hat... :)

    Wow really? I'm not judging by the personality. I judge them by the reflection of the game.


    I do understand that the business must make profit, but for god-sake... the game is so heavily Gold orientated that Tribal Wars look like walk in the park. I literary ended up spawning next to hard core spenders who are already 10 times bigger than me. My neighbours who just reached 200 pop, got catapulted by another player 5 times bigger than him (for the sake of achievements). How come people literary spawn in the middle of the map instead as far away from developed ones? There is 0 balance between Gold spenders and super active players, and the spawning of new cities next to 5000 pop, WOW!!!


    How much does the company made in profits? Why do the apps on the phones are unusable after almost a decade.


    I strongly doubt you'll criticize the game or your bosses for the sake of keeping the Job, unless you work for "free"

    Don't get me wrong, I gain nothing by telling you I like something I don't. I tried to be as honest as possible in giving you the view I have in my shoes.


    I agree with you in the fact that the App needs improvements, but may be that is because of our history.


    Kingdoms is a standard browser game that got a companion App as an add on.


    At the time of Kingdom's creation TG was a browser game's company.


    Recently we are trying to improve regarding mobile devices, and I think we are going in the right direction.


    But, that takes time, it is very different one thing from the other.


    We already have a much better App than we used to have, things have improved a lot, the different versions of the App along the years has always improved what we used to have before.


    So, although not at the desired speed, we are improving constantly and hopefully, with time, we will reach the desired quality of App and game.

    U must have started round rly late if you got spawned next to player with 5k pop, but hey there is this menhir feature that lets u menhir to inside of kingdom borders that is far away from that bad biggie.