Spikers of grey villages.

Is it against any rules to spike villages? No.

Is farming made too easy by farm lists? Yes.

Don't want to get spiked? Don't farm mindlessly.

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Is demolishing spikers against rules? No
So why option to find them was removed?
Now cowards just who are to afraid to fight just mindlessly spike all grey villages They know there is no way to find out who does it.
Scared to get visit of catas? Don't spike then.
Bring deff points back so we could trace them.

Is tracing spikers a feature in the game? No. It never was supposed to be.

"Cowards who are afraid to fight", you say; I say you are the coward. Go farm active players and stop farming greys. Spiking is a legit game strategy and I'm happy that travian disabled the deff points from spiking greys.

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Have You ever seen something like deff points??? It is feature of this game. It has always allowed to track deff points players including spikers until update last year.
Now cowards apparently like you, too afraid to start a war, so hiding behind not very smart idea happy that no one can trace them down.
And yes spiking is legit game strategy as long both parties can see who does that. In travian only spiker can see atacker but atacker can't see spiker.
Now cowards can spike as much as they want and they will stay anonymous.

So go farm active players and no one will spike you, but oh, wait, you don't want to do that because you want to just click your farm list every 10-20 minutes and not actively farm, right.

Why would I start a war when I can kill your troops and lose 99% less than what I'll lose in a real fight?

You say spiker can see attacker and attacker can't see spiker. That's technically true, but what if spiker puts 2k troops in a grey village, and you attack it? The spiker doesn't know the village is getting attacked and if its a raid or a siege or an attack, so the spiker can lose a lot as well.

You are just mad because you can afk farm; you should look for some bots to do the work for you.

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And you just admitted you are coward afraid to start war. The only what you are not afraid to do is to spike grey. I wrote i'm not afraid to go after anyone. Especially players who got a lot of deff and nothing to do so they spike greys.

That shows you got no idea how top farmers do. Only part of farmed rss comes from farmlists. Big portion is from active players.
But yeah what to expect from cowards who are afraid they could be traced again

Dude, you make no sense at all.

How am I supposed as a deff player to start a war? Most of the time deff players individually spike greys, its not a kingdom thing.

You say I've got no idea how top farmers farm, and maybe I don't, but if only part of farmed resources comes from farmlists, why do you even use farmlists? You're losing more than winning. Just continue with farming actives and get your big portion of resources.

And to be honest, your whole freaking argument here is " Oh woe is me deff players spike greys and their cowards its so unfair."

I don't have problems spiking villages even if it shows my deff points because I'm not scared of people like you who think they can just destroy anyone. Would you waste your troops on a far away spiking kingdom instead of on the enemy right beside you?

If you want, you can tell me where you play and I'll come spike some greys near you, just for fun, ok?

spikers rise up

Unfortunately every game has it's "trolls"

Try not to let them bother you, adjust your strategy if you must.

But don't waste your time with talking to them - it will only encourage the behavior.

They will never accomplish anything respectable with their strategy and they probably only do it because they can't compete with the others.

Well, it is an old saying that the game is really won by defensive players... the ones that manage to defend against the big hammers and manage to stop loosing any treasures or VPs.

Same with the WW, the ones that manage to get theirs ahead for the best bonuses and manage to keep it there with good defense.

So, defensive players are needed in every kingdom to survive.

Regarding the defensive points, it was decided after long conversations with the communities and the players.

In war there are a lot of strategies that may not be liked, like for example spying in a kingdom for another one, but, they exist and is part of the politics of the game.

Guerrilla warfare, as well, is part of the normal war. In this case, defending inactive players to make it harder for offensive players is that guerrilla warfare and sometimes it is very effective. That means that the hammers you are going to face in the WW or in the treasuries are smaller.

So we may like or not like some of those (and others that there are) strategies, but they are very valid ones. Yes, it means you have to be more careful with your raids, but then again, it would be less fun not to have it in the game.

It is all about the thrill of not knowing if it is going to pan out as we planned and adapt to the circumstances, instead of just clicking and clicking knowing the end result beforehand.

Don't you think?

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Well, it is an old saying that the game is really won by defensive players... the ones that manage to defend against the big hammers and manage to stop loosing any treasures or VPs.

Same with the WW, the ones that manage to get theirs ahead for the best bonuses and manage to keep it there with good defense.

So, defensive players are needed in every kingdom to survive.

Regarding the defensive points, it was decided after long conversations with the communities and the players.

In war there are a lot of strategies that may not be liked, like for example spying in a kingdom for another one, but, they exist and is part of the politics of the game.

Guerrilla warfare, as well, is part of the normal war. In this case, defending inactive players to make it harder for offensive players is that guerrilla warfare and sometimes it is very effective. That means that the hammers you are going to face in the WW or in the treasuries are smaller.

So we may like or not like some of those (and others that there are) strategies, but they are very valid ones. Yes, it means you have to be more careful with your raids, but then again, it would be less fun not to have it in the game.

It is all about the thrill of not knowing if it is going to pan out as we planned and adapt to the circumstances, instead of just clicking and clicking knowing the end result beforehand.

Don't you think?

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Very well said. Agree with all your points.

If there was no spiking, we could send clubswingers every minute to the farm villages.

I'm sure some nerds would do it, with their bots or mouse-auto-scripts or even manually.
Same logic applies to any farming soldier tbh,

Every action should have a counter to it. If someone is spiking farms we have a right to know so we can deal with them. If they are strong enough to have a defense that it's not worth attacking them, then fair play to them spiking. But letting these barely active players that sign on once a day throw 50 spears into a grey with no consequence is dumb. Why would you punish active play with inactive play?

And people wonder why the game is doing worse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Why would you punish active play with inactive play?

This is where you're wrong.

Farming grey's isn't being active. It's clicking a button every 5, 10, 20, 30 or 60 minutes to send 100 attack. That's not being active. Being active is scouting villages before attacking them. You are more than welcome to scout all the grey's before attacking them, now that would be active.

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This is where you're wrong.

Farming grey's isn't being active. It's clicking a button every 5, 10, 20, 30 or 60 minutes to send 100 attack. That's not being active. Being active is scouting villages before attacking them. You are more than welcome to scout all the grey's before attacking them, now that would be active.

This is where your wrong. If it's so easy why don't you do it instead of spiking?

First you have to add the villages.You might have to scout and clear it if no one else has. Then you have to figure out how many troops to send to be optimal, and if it's worth any losses you might get due to residence/palace. Then you have to decide if it's wroth it to destroy the residence/palace if your losing troops (Which you may need to scout first to find out which one it is, so you don't destroy a warehouse or resource fields). Sure you can select every village and send 5 troops to each, but it's possible to end up with more losses than gains. Granted later on in a server it becomes less of an issue, early on it's important.

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This is where your wrong. If it's so easy why don't you do it instead of spiking?

First you have to add the villages.You might have to scout and clear it if no one else has. Then you have to figure out how many troops to send to be optimal, and if it's worth any losses you might get due to residence/palace. Then you have to decide if it's wroth it to destroy the residence/palace if your losing troops (Which you may need to scout first to find out which one it is, so you don't destroy a warehouse or resource fields). Sure you can select every village and send 5 troops to each, but it's possible to end up with more losses than gains. Granted later on in a server it becomes less of an issue, early on it's important.

I'm doing it, first of all.

I think its obvious we are talking about mid to late game. I haven't seen people spike greys in then first 10 days of the server because no one has troops to spare.

Scouting, Destroying wall & palace/residence isn't that hard. All top farmers do it and its not too hard.

Most (if not all) top farmers in 2020 (before the free bot creator shut it down) used bot for farming. It had a mass scouting option. It made life much easier for people. Now that it's gone, things need to be done manually. Yeah, it's hard, but I promise you top farmers can continue doing their thing without going crazy about spikers.

So basically, if you want to maximize your farming gains, you need to consider the fact that people spike. Makes you mad? Stop farming, because people aren't going to stop spiking.

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I'm doing it, first of all.

I think its obvious we are talking about mid to late game. I haven't seen people spike greys in then first 10 days of the server because no one has troops to spare.

Scouting, Destroying wall & palace/residence isn't that hard. All top farmers do it and its not too hard.

Most (if not all) top farmers in 2020 (before the free bot creator shut it down) used bot for farming. It had a mass scouting option. It made life much easier for people. Now that it's gone, things need to be done manually. Yeah, it's hard, but I promise you top farmers can continue doing their thing without going crazy about spikers.

So basically, if you want to maximize your farming gains, you need to consider the fact that people spike. Makes you mad? Stop farming, because people aren't going to stop spiking.

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It's more than the 'afk click' farm you said earlier on.

If people want to spike they can spike. I'm not complaining about that. They should just be known so you can do something about it. Why in a strategy game can I not take out a spikers barracks/stable to stop them from spiking? Sometimes you can figure it out without the def points, but I don't see why we are making it easier for them to hide. Sure a lot of spikers are throw away accounts and they don't care, but at least it may stop them from this server.

Someone earlier said that without spikers tuets would just club spam everyone. Spiking encourages that because they are hurt the least form it (Clubs are very cheap) and Rome/Gaul farmers are hurt more losing TT/EI

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It's more than the 'afk click' farm you said earlier on.

If people want to spike they can spike. I'm not complaining about that. They should just be known so you can do something about it. Why in a strategy game can I not take out a spikers barracks/stable to stop them from spiking? Sometimes you can figure it out without the def points, but I don't see why we are making it easier for them to hide. Sure a lot of spikers are throw away accounts and they don't care, but at least it may stop them from this server.

Someone earlier said that without spikers tuets would just club spam everyone. Spiking encourages that because they are hurt the least form it (Clubs are very cheap) and Rome/Gaul farmers are hurt more losing TT/EI

You're right about the last statement. Teutons don't really care about losing a few clubs.

I think the reason that deff points were removed from deffending an inactive village because people thought it was unfair people were getting deff points by being 'cowards' as the OP described it, and getting top 10 defender medals while not deserving them

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This is where your wrong. If it's so easy why don't you do it instead of spiking?

First you have to add the villages.You might have to scout and clear it if no one else has. Then you have to figure out how many troops to send to be optimal, and if it's worth any losses you might get due to residence/palace. Then you have to decide if it's wroth it to destroy the residence/palace if your losing troops (Which you may need to scout first to find out which one it is, so you don't destroy a warehouse or resource fields). Sure you can select every village and send 5 troops to each, but it's possible to end up with more losses than gains. Granted later on in a server it becomes less of an issue, early on it's important.

That is exactly what is all about, this is a war strategy game.

What you are complaining about doing is what others enjoy the most, what they come to Kingdoms to do. Investigate possible targets, choose the best ones, decide what to use to get the best possible outcome...

To me it sounds like the essence of Kingdoms game play. Aside from the most important part, the people we meet and get to know and the relationships that form thanks to Kingdoms, in my opinion, that is the best part of the game.