Using Google's URL Shortener in Gamechat; Is it against the rules?

  • Is using URL shortening services like Google's URL Shortening service Goo.gl against the rules of Travian Kingdoms?



    Using such service can permit you to shorten links and spot the country of internet users who click on your link.



    I get many links shortened by various services on game-chat and I use goo.gl myself.




    Is this against the rules?


  • If it is, I missed it. However, I never click on such a link unless I am certain where it goes. The better way is to insert a hyperlink if the link you want to share is a long one, or the entire link if not.


    You can copy a shortened link and paste it in here before clicking on it to determine whether it is safe: http://www.checkshorturl.com/

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  • If it is, I missed it. However, I never click on such a link unless I am certain where it goes. The better way is to insert a hyperlink if the link you want to share is a long one, or the entire link if not.


    You can copy a shortened link and paste it in here before clicking on it to determine whether it is safe: http://www.checkshorturl.com/



    Thanks for your reply but we still haven't got an answer to the question topping the thread.


  • If you are using a link to grab another players personal information....(ip address, country of origin) then this would be illegal as you are not Travian but only another player. If you send a link but do not tell players what info you collect when they click on it then that violates various international laws regarding privacy. If any of your posts ask players to click on the link but for other reasons then what the link is intended then you are guilty of fraud and invasion of privacy.

  • If you are using a link to grab another players personal information....(ip address, country of origin) then this would be illegal as you are not Travian but only another player. If you send a link but do not tell players what info you collect when they click on it then that violates various international laws regarding privacy. If any of your posts ask players to click on the link but for other reasons then what the link is intended then you are guilty of fraud and invasion of privacy.


    Well that's an interesting law. Pretty much every link collects your IP address, since it's required for the web server to know where to send the web page. Can I see a source on this? I'm fairly certain that you're misinterpreting things here.

  • What goog.gl and such services do is shorten a link. So for instance using this thread's link http://forum.kingdoms.travian.com/com/showthread.php?t=1847 with goo.gl results in a link of this form: http://goo.gl/jtvJi6 which, if you click it, links to the same thread in this case. https://goo.gl/#analytics/goo.gl/jtvJi6/all_time then gives you the ability to see where others who have used the link clicked from, but it doesn't show their IP address or give you any means by which to know who clicked where. However it's definitely easily possible to just use goog.gl 200 times and give 200 members a different link, and you'd know their country of origin.


    So short answer, yes this would, suprisingly to me, technically be illegal. However if you're using just one link and are not trying to figure out anybody's country without them knowing, then it might get overlooked by the MH?

  • Well that's an interesting law. Pretty much every link collects your IP address, since it's required for the web server to know where to send the web page. Can I see a source on this? I'm fairly certain that you're misinterpreting things here.


    Hello theatsign


    You are correct...When you go on a website no matter what it is, that company is collecting your information. That is okay as it is a company who is doing it much like Travian also does it as it is needed to help create accounts and even register on servers. The OP is concerned about players using a subject link and sending it out in IGM's. Since the players are just that and not a company, then the player trying to get your information is usually doing it for corrupt matters. I hope that clears up any confusion you may have had. You can also google privacy laws and may be even read thru Travians as well.

  • Well I love the discussion but we still haven't got A FINAL ANSWER


    IS IT AGAINST THE RULES? There should be nothing as to "if you intend to" in the rules, as you would never know what someone really intended for sure.


    and if it is, how can you ban players for using Goo.gl without high-lightening such an important issue in the rules?


    I guess this is another loophole in the Travian Kingdoms' rules.



  • Hello Psychotron,


    Please read our General Terms and Conditions and yes, this is against the rules.


    * § 11 Obligations of the user


    The spying, disclosure or dissemination of personal or confidential informationof other users, employees of TRAVIAN GAMES or any other disregardof the private sphere of other users or employees of TRAVIANGAMES.


    Kind regards,
    Magician


  • Thanks Magician for your reply. Yes, I know this section from the rules, but I think that to ban someone for using Google URL shortener according to this section, then you should know his/her real intent behind using such services which can never be determined for sure, so I suggest adding a section that includes a hint about such services in the rules.