Robbers camps (and oasis ranks) create so many internal wars inside a kingdom (especially newly formed kingdoms)
some players are greedy & send at all camps
some players undercut other players whilst sending at all camps, meaning troops are out for hours with no rewards
some players have too many losses trying to split their troops to get as many camps as possible
if all players were forced to send their hero too, then there would be a lot less inhouse fighting & fallouts over them
also maybe make it impossible to rein a robbers camp, have seen that happen before too
the account holder needs to give you "gold" rights to use some features
There are ways to get 4 waves in under 6 hours,
unless you saw these attacks start & can confirm they were all sent on the "same second" then it's wrong to call this abuse
I never play with pre team in any server till now.
I can share experience from last 2 server.
First one. we called it jumper.. Enemy player settle near to our WW when ww appear. Start new kingdom as a result it open a treasure spot instantly than some of jumper with huge offense relocate and destroy our ww. Than after few weeks. same thing happen again and again. we keep complain about this abuse and nothing happen. At some point same way they start new kingdom next to my hammer vill and raze my hammer vill in 20 mn with a 150k+ Teuton hammer (what a joke insane level of abuse). .Imagine feeding a 150k Teuton from a single 4446 vill. and jumping all around the places and keep erasing vill. 50-60 people delete from many kingdom because if this abuse.
Next one. Our kingdom was rank 2. and suddenly came under attack from neighboring elite kingdom. Those attack was a shock. because their king build 30k hammer and all duke 20k+ hammer in first 35 days. They destroy 4 treasure vill+ 3 other vill (completely razed) in 5 days, As a result many people delete and team spirit became 0.
All these abuse happen because people want to win no matter what. And if they find some tool they will abuse it in many ways. You impose a new law they will invent new..
the first example is now not so easy to implement because they already made some changes & introduced a "cooldown period" after menhir happens where you cannot have troops actions with other players for 12 hours.
the second example is exactly the reason we need to change the fundamentals of the menhir to make it not possible for those huge early game hammers to happen using menhir MA accounts to farm the resources from the res packages
I think you just have to make it fair for all
Menhir was introduced to make it possible to move a start village & that really should be it's only purpose
it should have no impact on speed settle, or army building, or farming. If it had no other function then there would be no point in making all those MA's to cash in on various extra benefits
so in theory it would help the honest players & deter the dishonest players
Welcome to travian kingdoms, where no one gives a damn. Some of these issues appear in each server and they are never solved, those players continuing to play the game. In the last com2 round we got rid of some exploiters only because they decided to delete and start on a new server, after few days ban and some penalties. Hence, for this round, unless these guys are going to delete, I don't really expect anything to change.
The purpose of this thread is to try & find a solution to stop some of the abuse happening
Maybe you can bring us your ideas too, on what you feel needs changing around menhir (on topic) and then Unknown will have something to suggest to the Devs & maybe some changes will happen to stop some of the abuse on future servers moving forwards
Lets all try to be more positive & proactive, rather than negative & reactive
he means "dry season" gameworlds "breadless" is the achievement
Now server is like team players settle/relocate around mountain with very safe and passive play. It will be good for the spirit of the server if it have more action/diplomacy from the beginning.
This happened before menhir too though, as a team we used full suicide settle of our spawn village (we just avoided building any res fields) but it didn't stop us deciding/planning our borders for the server, in truth, it didn't really impact on our gameplay much either.
so in this respect menhir hasn't changed the function of deciding where you settle your team, it has just enabled you to keep a very undeveloped village day 2 instead of removing it and just having a cropper & then resettling inside borders asap afterwards
the menhir feature gives all players a chance to find a team & also a chance to relocate to a better team if, as so many players do, they find an over-enthusiatic King that is full of words at the start & becomes a farm shortly after they lose their first battles in the early game
If I had to choose between menhir in it's current state or a rollback to before we had it, I would also choose to remove it.
But I feel menhir adds to the game for both new & old players & if a solution can be found to remove the abuse aspect from using it, then it's still a good feature for all.
As King I cannot say how many times I have been asked to invite someone into our borders & have declined them due to our team being strong enough already, but I usually try to encourage these players to stay on the server & to ask around the map (recommending other good & long-term teams to approach) so that they may also find a team on the server and become a good enemy. If you remove menhir, then those players would just be left high n dry.
also worth mentioning I have played this game from both sides of the pond
as a King of a premade
but also a a sole player on a random server & the menhir feature helped me find the right place to play in both instances
the abuse to using MA's & farming res packages is what creates the most damage and impacts the server on a huge scale
Nowadays 1 off player menhirs with 4 deffers, as you can send def during the cooldown.
A lot of guides now include menhiring around 6 times before entering vac mode.
remember though all those deffers are also on a 12 hour cooldown & can only be menhired if they too also only have one village
also it's not advisable to menhir a lot of times even if using speed settle, as it resets your robbers & makes them disappear each time you do it
(you really are wasting your time moving around so much, when you lose upto 6k res each time you do it)
For me the idea behind menhir is a great one, the problem is the abuse happening because of it ....
for as long as i played travian, it was always an issue that you had to either choose between your spawn or your team ... menhir was the change that helped fix the dream of having both.
in BP you get a easy route to L7 fields (with quest rewards) the problem I can see is when people use MA accounts to quickly cash in on endless amounts of resources, pushing their main account massively (via raids)
or using it kingdom wide and having a huge advantage way too soon in the game
if you take away the benefits from using it from a MA perspective, a lot of the abuse around it will disappear too
it used to be that when an account dropped back below 200 pop they would re-enter BP mode, if this happened then they would not be able to be "moved & farmed"
although I think any remaining res packages would have to disappear after BP ended or the corrupt players would simply wait a week to farm them
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They are being honest about it, I'm not seeing any denial from them around how they do it
question for me is .... Why?
seems some teams will go to any lengths to try & bag themselves a victory
time after time they do the same tricks & in the end they only cheat themselves
"Without Honour, victory is hollow"
Still no visible abuse happening on com2 (just saying)
Just wanted to say for all those out there that are tired of abuse happening, bring your team to com2
the area around 0/0 yet to be claimed
looks like we're having a treat, a rare start, some great teams & no abuse happening in the first week
Good Job those playing com2
(Keep it up)
Well not all bad, it looks like a clean server, can't see any menhir abuse happening
& 4 decent teams have signed up already
But there's room for a couple more teams if anyone fancies throwing some spanners into the "water"works
Happy Weekend everyone !!
if you're bored come start a meta on com2
Yes, come on in peeps the "Water" looks very tempting
Thanks TK team for getting the bug sorted for the start of com2