Hello everyone,

I'd like to share with you some thoughts I had while asking myself which tribe shall I pick. Being a mathematician, I couldn't resist to show you some easy calculation on which I shall support my multiples remarks.

So the big question I'd like to approach with differents hypothesis is : "Which tribe should I pick ?" It's a subject every player has been wondering about and depending on the preferences of each player, we can try to give some advices.

Beside the characteristics like double building, different merchants, double cranny and those details, the major difference will be the troops of that tribe (also, I'll assume that a roman player will build horse drinking and I didn't take into account the brassery for german which is a big difference in the late server, I count on you not to forget that).

Also, I say it already : this is not a totaly complete analysis, it's only some thought not to forget and I think it's already a good beginning.

I started with the data we all have access to (hope the layout won't fail me, can't attach my excel file, must copy paste ^^), looking at the "basic" troops (could see for ram and cata too but less interesting):

[TABLE='width: 1060']

[tr]

[td]

Troops

[/td]

[td]

Attack

[/td]

[td]

Def Inf

[/td]

[td]

Def Cav

[/td]

[td]

Mean def

[/td]

[td]

CC

[/td]

[td]

Wood

[/td]

[td]

Clay

[/td]

[td]

Iron

[/td]

[td]

Base Time

[/td]

[td]

Time (s)

[/td]

[td]

Total res

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Roman

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Legio

[/td]

[td]

40

[/td]

[td]

35

[/td]

[td]

50

[/td]

[td]

42,5

[/td]

[td]

1

[/td]

[td]

75

[/td]

[td]

50

[/td]

[td]

100

[/td]

[td]

534

[/td]

[td]

75

[/td]

[td]

225

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Praeto

[/td]

[td]

30

[/td]

[td]

65

[/td]

[td]

35

[/td]

[td]

50

[/td]

[td]

1

[/td]

[td]

80

[/td]

[td]

100

[/td]

[td]

160

[/td]

[td]

587

[/td]

[td]

82

[/td]

[td]

340

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Imperian

[/td]

[td]

70

[/td]

[td]

40

[/td]

[td]

25

[/td]

[td]

32,5

[/td]

[td]

1

[/td]

[td]

100

[/td]

[td]

110

[/td]

[td]

140

[/td]

[td]

640

[/td]

[td]

90

[/td]

[td]

350

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Imperatoris

[/td]

[td]

120

[/td]

[td]

65

[/td]

[td]

50

[/td]

[td]

57,5

[/td]

[td]

2

[/td]

[td]

350

[/td]

[td]

260

[/td]

[td]

180

[/td]

[td]

880

[/td]

[td]

99

[/td]

[td]

790

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Caesaris

[/td]

[td]

180

[/td]

[td]

80

[/td]

[td]

105

[/td]

[td]

92,5

[/td]

[td]

3

[/td]

[td]

280

[/td]

[td]

340

[/td]

[td]

600

[/td]

[td]

1174

[/td]

[td]

131

[/td]

[td]

1220

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Teuton

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Club

[/td]

[td]

40

[/td]

[td]

20

[/td]

[td]

5

[/td]

[td]

12,5

[/td]

[td]

1

[/td]

[td]

85

[/td]

[td]

65

[/td]

[td]

30

[/td]

[td]

240

[/td]

[td]

34

[/td]

[td]

180

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Spear

[/td]

[td]

10

[/td]

[td]

35

[/td]

[td]

60

[/td]

[td]

47,5

[/td]

[td]

1

[/td]

[td]

125

[/td]

[td]

50

[/td]

[td]

65

[/td]

[td]

374

[/td]

[td]

52

[/td]

[td]

240

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Axe

[/td]

[td]

60

[/td]

[td]

30

[/td]

[td]

30

[/td]

[td]

30

[/td]

[td]

1

[/td]

[td]

80

[/td]

[td]

65

[/td]

[td]

130

[/td]

[td]

400

[/td]

[td]

56

[/td]

[td]

275

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Paladin

[/td]

[td]

55

[/td]

[td]

100

[/td]

[td]

40

[/td]

[td]

70

[/td]

[td]

2

[/td]

[td]

330

[/td]

[td]

170

[/td]

[td]

200

[/td]

[td]

800

[/td]

[td]

112

[/td]

[td]

700

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Knight

[/td]

[td]

150

[/td]

[td]

50

[/td]

[td]

75

[/td]

[td]

62,5

[/td]

[td]

3

[/td]

[td]

280

[/td]

[td]

320

[/td]

[td]

260

[/td]

[td]

987

[/td]

[td]

138

[/td]

[td]

860

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Gauls

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Phalanx

[/td]

[td]

15

[/td]

[td]

40

[/td]

[td]

50

[/td]

[td]

45

[/td]

[td]

1

[/td]

[td]

85

[/td]

[td]

100

[/td]

[td]

50

[/td]

[td]

347

[/td]

[td]

49

[/td]

[td]

235

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Swords

[/td]

[td]

65

[/td]

[td]

35

[/td]

[td]

20

[/td]

[td]

27,5

[/td]

[td]

1

[/td]

[td]

95

[/td]

[td]

60

[/td]

[td]

140

[/td]

[td]

480

[/td]

[td]

67

[/td]

[td]

295

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Theutates

[/td]

[td]

90

[/td]

[td]

25

[/td]

[td]

40

[/td]

[td]

32,5

[/td]

[td]

2

[/td]

[td]

200

[/td]

[td]

280

[/td]

[td]

130

[/td]

[td]

827

[/td]

[td]

116

[/td]

[td]

610

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Druid

[/td]

[td]

45

[/td]

[td]

115

[/td]

[td]

55

[/td]

[td]

85

[/td]

[td]

2

[/td]

[td]

300

[/td]

[td]

270

[/td]

[td]

190

[/td]

[td]

854

[/td]

[td]

120

[/td]

[td]

760

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Haeduan

[/td]

[td]

140

[/td]

[td]

60

[/td]

[td]

165

[/td]

[td]

112,5

[/td]

[td]

3

[/td]

[td]

300

[/td]

[td]

380

[/td]

[td]

440

[/td]

[td]

1040

[/td]

[td]

146

[/td]

[td]

1120

[/td]

[/tr]

[/TABLE]

Those data will help us to compare the tribes on some basic points : the costs of their troops (in resources and in time). Typically, early game the resources will be more important, and at some point the balance will swich and time the time production will be primordial.

So we can write this table down too :

[TABLE='width: 1089']

[tr]

[td]

Troops

[/td]

[td]

Att/res

[/td]

[td]

Def/res

[/td]

[td]

Def inf/res

[/td]

[td]

Def cav/res

[/td]

[td]

Att/time

[/td]

[td]

Def/time

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

Res/time

[/td]

[td]

CC/time (h)

[/td]

[td]

(Att+def)/res

[/td]

[td]

(Att+def)/time

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Roman

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Legio

[/td]

[td]

0,178

[/td]

[td]

0,189

[/td]

[td]

0,156

[/td]

[td]

0,222

[/td]

[td]

0,535

[/td]

[td]

0,568

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

3,01

[/td]

[td]

48

[/td]

[td]

0,367

[/td]

[td]

1,104

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Praeto

[/td]

[td]

0,088

[/td]

[td]

0,147

[/td]

[td]

0,191

[/td]

[td]

0,103

[/td]

[td]

0,365

[/td]

[td]

0,608

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

4,14

[/td]

[td]

44

[/td]

[td]

0,235

[/td]

[td]

0,973

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Imperian

[/td]

[td]

0,200

[/td]

[td]

0,093

[/td]

[td]

0,114

[/td]

[td]

0,071

[/td]

[td]

0,781

[/td]

[td]

0,363

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

3,91

[/td]

[td]

40

[/td]

[td]

0,293

[/td]

[td]

1,144

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Imperatoris

[/td]

[td]

0,152

[/td]

[td]

0,073

[/td]

[td]

0,082

[/td]

[td]

0,063

[/td]

[td]

1,218

[/td]

[td]

0,583

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

8,02

[/td]

[td]

73

[/td]

[td]

0,225

[/td]

[td]

1,801

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Caesaris

[/td]

[td]

0,148

[/td]

[td]

0,076

[/td]

[td]

0,066

[/td]

[td]

0,086

[/td]

[td]

1,369

[/td]

[td]

0,703

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

9,28

[/td]

[td]

82

[/td]

[td]

0,223

[/td]

[td]

2,072

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Teuton

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Club

[/td]

[td]

0,222

[/td]

[td]

0,069

[/td]

[td]

0,111

[/td]

[td]

0,028

[/td]

[td]

1,190

[/td]

[td]

0,372

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

5,36

[/td]

[td]

107

[/td]

[td]

0,292

[/td]

[td]

1,563

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Spear

[/td]

[td]

0,042

[/td]

[td]

0,198

[/td]

[td]

0,146

[/td]

[td]

0,250

[/td]

[td]

0,191

[/td]

[td]

0,907

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

4,58

[/td]

[td]

69

[/td]

[td]

0,240

[/td]

[td]

1,098

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Axe

[/td]

[td]

0,218

[/td]

[td]

0,109

[/td]

[td]

0,109

[/td]

[td]

0,109

[/td]

[td]

1,071

[/td]

[td]

0,536

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

4,91

[/td]

[td]

64

[/td]

[td]

0,327

[/td]

[td]

1,607

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Paladin

[/td]

[td]

0,079

[/td]

[td]

0,100

[/td]

[td]

0,143

[/td]

[td]

0,057

[/td]

[td]

0,491

[/td]

[td]

0,625

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

6,25

[/td]

[td]

64

[/td]

[td]

0,179

[/td]

[td]

1,116

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Knight

[/td]

[td]

0,174

[/td]

[td]

0,073

[/td]

[td]

0,058

[/td]

[td]

0,087

[/td]

[td]

1,086

[/td]

[td]

0,452

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

6,22

[/td]

[td]

78

[/td]

[td]

0,247

[/td]

[td]

1,538

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Gauls

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[td][/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Phalanx

[/td]

[td]

0,064

[/td]

[td]

0,191

[/td]

[td]

0,170

[/td]

[td]

0,213

[/td]

[td]

0,309

[/td]

[td]

0,926

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

4,84

[/td]

[td]

74

[/td]

[td]

0,255

[/td]

[td]

1,235

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Swords

[/td]

[td]

0,220

[/td]

[td]

0,093

[/td]

[td]

0,119

[/td]

[td]

0,068

[/td]

[td]

0,967

[/td]

[td]

0,409

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

4,39

[/td]

[td]

54

[/td]

[td]

0,314

[/td]

[td]

1,376

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Theutates

[/td]

[td]

0,148

[/td]

[td]

0,053

[/td]

[td]

0,041

[/td]

[td]

0,066

[/td]

[td]

0,777

[/td]

[td]

0,281

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

5,27

[/td]

[td]

62

[/td]

[td]

0,201

[/td]

[td]

1,058

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Druid

[/td]

[td]

0,059

[/td]

[td]

0,112

[/td]

[td]

0,151

[/td]

[td]

0,072

[/td]

[td]

0,376

[/td]

[td]

0,711

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

6,36

[/td]

[td]

60

[/td]

[td]

0,171

[/td]

[td]

1,087

[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]

Haeduan

[/td]

[td]

0,125

[/td]

[td]

0,100

[/td]

[td]

0,054

[/td]

[td]

0,147

[/td]

[td]

0,962

[/td]

[td]

0,773

[/td]

[td][/td]

[td]

7,69

[/td]

[td]

74

[/td]

[td]

0,225

[/td]

[td]

1,734

[/td]

[/tr]

[/TABLE]

And this is where we can start thinking. I won't cover all remark we can do on those numbers, but let's get started :

First column we can easily see that for infantery, clubs and swords are pretty good. Axes and imperian are quite close, and i'll insist on the point that legio is'nt that far behind.

Still for infantery, second column we might already have a surprise : yes, phalanx and spear are well ranked but praetorian is quite far considering some says it's the best defense unit in the game (yes, they often say static defense, but still ^^). Legio however is almost as good as phalanx (don't forget he isn't that bad in attack...).

For the cavalry, I would say only the knight stand out for att/res, while the haedouan is a little bit lower than one could expect. However for defense we could separate the paladin, the druide and the haedouan from the rest.

3rd and 4th column are for those who like to specialize their defense (which is indeed very usefull in some case), I won't get into those details this time.

I'll rush to the before-last column in order to insist on some point here : legio are just amazing. Will come back later to that, but I've been amazed by having such a difference on that column between the legio and even the second of the column (axe, not that far from sword).

So for early server, when resources are important, we can already see major differences :

Teuton have very interesting stats, however the club is well know to be trampled on and so they need a lot of activity time to protect them. Except that point, they still have cost effective units with by far the best attack cavalry (from resources point of view).

Again : legio are just amazing !

Next point would be the efficiency from the time point of view. Also for the time, I didn't mention it yet but i just took the base time multiplied by 0,14 (assuming lvl 20 building) and for the imperatoris and caesaris I multiplied again by 0,8 thx to horse drinking.

There we can see major differences between the tribes :

Roman infantery is terrible, horrific, there goes the mighty legio. You won't get a swarm of those.

Gaul infantery isn't that bad, phalanx is easily spammable for lot of deff and swords isn't that far behind compared to the axe (clubs are out-ranking on that point).

Teuton infantery is excellent, well first for attack, almost as good as gauls for defense.

About cavalry, there we see the roman shining. After the mighty legio, behold, here's the glorious caesaris ! Compared to the second tribe and the such-efficient-res-knight, a full grown roman can produce so many caesaris that only one horse drinking wouldn't be enough to give water to all those horses. And this is without saying that producing caesaris give more defense than producing legio or praetorian in the same amount of time... As I said, glorious caesaris !

Gauls aren't taht bad of course, and teuton aren't ridiculous either. To see that, let's jump to next column showing the resources used by seconds.

In this column we have the confirmation that gauls have very good cavalry : theutates cost nothing compared to all other cavalry units, druid are solid and haedouan do not cost that much considering their force is also their polyvalence : being able to attack as well as defend (see last column, haedouan are behind roman cavalry but cost much less)

We can also see the price of the glorious caesaris and that might cool down some of you who suddenly decided to play roman.

You can also see the column of crop consumption augmentation per hour if you're producing constantly some unit. There you see the price of the super-club. Yes you can spam the club, but don't forget to feed them. And there you can see the force of the praetorian for example : yes, he doesn't give that much def/second, but his ratio def/CC is just the best in the game. And being first somewhere has always a price somewhere else.

That last sentence seems to me like a good "conclusion sentence". We can discuss a lot about those numbers, but what is certain is that there is no ultimate unit. All those units correspond to different play-style.

What I, personnally, shall remember from that is the result of legio and caesaris. Maybe because of my lack of top-experience (even if I do have some long experience, I've never be at the top, my best results were those on the last test server as Bumper, if some people recognize me ^^).

Just for the anecdote : I always have been a non-teuton player. I do not have enough time to baby-sit my club and they still are the best card of the teuton play from my point of view (easy to spam, easy to trade...) and the other teuton's asset aren't solid enough against gauls and roman's. I must admit, as a non-gold player (even if that might possibily change since I'm not a student anymore, anyway ^^) and "simmer" the double construction of Roman always have been appealing to me. The gauls however are really really good for a pacific play-style that I also adopt some time... So I was mostly hesitating between Gauls and Roman. And now that I've taken the time to look those number, I would probably go more for Roman (legioooo ! did I already say that ?)

And I think I'll stop here for now. Still have some simulation to show comparing legio and imperian. Will post that later.

(I made it much shorter than I initially thought, must be tired or have forgotten something ^^)

If you have any (constructive, please ) remark, don't hesitate !

And as always, thanks for reading, have a great day (and evening, week, life... ^^) !